Interview with a Sudanese Refugee
On the 17th of February 1999, at the UNHCR office, I met some refugees getting ready for interviews at the UNHCR offices in Kampala. On this day I was tipped off that there were going to be some interviews with refugees.
I was fortunate to get to talk to one of them. He looked to be in his late 10s or early 20s. It was quite hard to tell due to the ill conditions he had been subjected to earlier on. He preferred not to tell me his name as condition of our Interview. For this reason, I will refer to him as Abdul for the purpose of reproducing this interview. Below is our brief Interview.
The Interview has been edited to give what I understood and perceived from the refugee and to also give the right English composition for the Interview. As you can expect, we didn’t use only English and he had difficulties too using the English.
Found him sitting outside on a waiting desk.
l: Hello.Abdu
Rose
: My name is Rose, from Kitante Hill School. I am working on a project about refugees. Do you mind telling me your name?: I will give you any information you need but not my name.Abdul
Rose
: OK. Which country do you come from?: I am from SudanAbdul
Rose
: Why did you leave your country?Abdul
: In my country, there is a guerilla war. The army has been pillaging many people in my village for so many years now. My Dad was killed in the same process.Rose
: Where is the rest of your family then?Abdul
: My Mom, the rest of my family? Well, I sure don’t know now. They are all scattered may be around the world. I don’t know. One thing I know is that by some luck, some of them may still be alive.Rose
: How does it feel like to be alone away from home?Abdul
: Hesitantly and uncomfortable I find it unbelievable. I feel like I am cursed. Like there is no hope for any life to me.Rose
: Tell me about how you got away, how it all started, where you went.Abdul
: I left with some seven Boys and some 2 girls. We walked aimlessly not knowing where we were heading for. We just ended up some where in a Mud-baked area. I have never known what this place was. I had never been here before.Rose
: What happened there?Abdul
: While there, some armed men in army uniforms found us. We were so tired and helpless that all we had left was to surrender. There was no telling what they were going to do to us but we kept our spirits high. We wanted to believe we had some chance that someone found us but didn’t kill us on the spot. They were not that friendly to us but with nothing to do, we just had to wait.Rose
: What happened then?Abdul
: One of the men, got out some ropes from his bag. They were very coarse, so hard and rough. They tied us up so tightly and beat us up like we never expected. They use rifle butts some times to hit us in the back so we keep moving. We then knew we were done for.Rose
: Why did you think so now?Abdul
: During these times, people were being forced to fight, especially strong-looking teenagers. We now knew this was the time. In fact, one of the boys I was with was so scared and he tried to take off. He was sliced to death right before us. All we were left with was to keep obedient lest we also have the same treat.Rose
: Do you know where they were taking you? Did you ask them?: Of course not (very furious), would you?Abdul
Abdul
: We just kept moving on. After a very long walk, we came to a camp. I didn’t know any of the people we found there and I didn’t know the place either.Rose
: What happened at the Camp?Abdul
: To our dismay, we were set free. All we had in our minds now was to take off. Before we could even think about it, some one was reading us some rules. Very strict rules and concluded by saying, "I strongly advise that you don’t consider escaping".Rose
: What then happened?Abdul
: Of course, we had to stay here for some time. We were being given very little to eat and drink, but at least we were given something. There was a little hospitality at this camp which I greatly attribute to my being here today. We were free to move around the camp but there some places we were not supposed to go.Rose
: For how long did you stay here?: I really can’t remember. May be a month or even more.Abdul
Rose
: How did you get here then? Did they hand you over to the UNHCR or someone?: No. I don’t think these men would do something like that at all.Abdul
Rose
: How then did you get away?Abdul
: I simply broke the last rule. I escaped. I took off just aimlessly as I started and found myself in Northern Uganda. I just didn’t it was northern Uganda anyway but who care, I was all right. As I kept on going, I came to a place. I think it was a camp. There were so many people.Rose
: For how long had you moved then?Abdul
: It is very likely that I spent many days moving. What bothers me most is that I used to spend days without water or food and where there was water it was some of the worst I have seen.Rose
: What happened when you got to the camp?Abdul
: I found there was a procedure to be followed. First every new entrant had to register before being allowed to stay. So I did just that. You see it was very important otherwise some rebels could also come and settle among us just to continue terrorizing us.Rose
: Did you find any people you knew?Abdul
: It was really a blessing that I got here. I found many people from my home area and I found it very easy to fit in.Rose
: What do you remember about this camp?Abdul
: Not much. You see, as I was getting used to it, we were transferred to another camp. (From his description of where they went, I could tell they went to Bundibugyo. This is another refugee settlement are in western Uganda. It is in the Rwenzori Mountains the boarder of Uganda and the Democratic republic of Congo. Currently it is also war-stricken with Allied Democratic Forces (ADF) Rebels. They have cause a couple of other atrocities in this region.)Our population was increasing every day and we could not be accommodated in the camp.
Rose
: For how long did you stay in this new camp?: Say four months.Abdul
Rose
: I guess you stayed here for quite some time to know more about the place. (Responds in approval.) Can you tell me about the conditions in this place and what your feeling is about this place?Abdul
: Life in this place may not be worth for a king but it was heaven to me. Let me say it was more or less Paradise if I compare it to what I was living like through the past. There I used to get everything free and good. I got medication and care. People there think we are useful and they are concerned about how I am living.Rose
: The place may have been so good to you. Should I assume that there were no problems at all? Or are there any problems you could have faced?Abdul
: As you can expect, almost all people who go to the camps are different. So as usual there are many conflicts and quarrels, fighting for food and a lot more. But most of the problems are from the poor hygienic conditions. There are so many of us but very little space to live. So many wastes are scattered allover the camp including human waste. In this case, you will find a lot of epidemics like Cholera, diarrhea typhoid and so many others.Rose
: Generally, how do you find the life of being a refugee, a person in a foreign country?Abdul
: Not so simple. In fact I would say meaningless. You see you leave an aimless life for many reasons. (Listing them) 1. You are not sure if you will ever go back to your home. 2. You feel a total failure in life after losing almost everything in life 3. Being in a foreign country, you just do not know where or how to start. 4. In the camps, there is not much developmental work you can do.Rose
: If someone had a vision for you and was willing to help you achieve it, what would you hope for?Abdul
: There are so many things that I would really want to have. But as you can see, the world changes its color every day. Maybe what would be best for me is to continue with my studies that I had started and complete. After that, I could take on what I can. I hope the UNHCR can help me and that’s what I am here to find out.Rose: If you had a chance to go back to your country, or if you were given one, would you be willing to go back? Would you be happy to?
Abdul
: I really don’t have so much willingness to go back there. I can’t even imagine how it looks there now. I don’t even have a family to go back to. Worst of all at this moment all male human beings in my country are expected to become government soldiers. What future can I have as a government soldier with hardly a pay? I can’t even imagine leaving the life I’ve tasted here for that. I’ve even never thought of becoming a soldier.Rose: What message do you have for the people who might have a chance to read about your suffering?
Abdul
: If they can, I would like them to help and not to send away people who are looking for such help as refugees. Though some may not be real refugees but if they can be examined to find out the truth they should help us where they can. We really need a lot of their help.After the interview, which lasted about 30 minutes, I thanked him for his help and wished him good luck. He wished to have a copy the picture I took of him but I couldn’t use them, as the law doesn’t permit us to do so without proper authorization.
Compiled by:
Rose Nantongo
Kitante Hill School Kampala
17th February 1999