Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:26:01 -0500
From: BJ Berquist berquist@pa.net
To: Steve Feld
Subject: Transcript of TechClass/2000/12/11
Dear Steve,
This is the raw transcript...hope it's not too confusing.
BJ
Started recording in After School Online Room (#1460)[TappedIn] at Mon
Dec 11 16:56:44 2000 PST.
BJB drops 2000/12/11 TechClass-Virtual Field Trips (recording).
KeikoS has arrived.
Keiko's Assistant (recording) has arrived.
DonnaMH says, "heya:)"
KeikoS hugs Donna
LynneM has arrived.
DonnaMH says, "sorry bj"
BJB [HelpDesk] smiles. NP
BJB [HelpDesk] waves hi to Lynne
DonnaMH says, "I did see that one, Keiko...oh, wait, not the second one
of Yellowstone"
LynneM waves back
DonnaMH [multitasking] waves to Lynne:)
LynneM says, "Is this the Virtual REality session? Looks like "old
friends" here."
BJB [HelpDesk] smiles. We are getting to be regulars, huh?
KeikoS hugs to Lynne
DonnaMH [multitasking] smiles indeed it is:)
KeikoS [to Donna]: "second one was a lot better"
WilliamCW has arrived.
DH (recording) has arrived.
KeikoS hugs William
DonnaMH [multitasking] hugs too
DonnaMH says, "i'm woefully unprepared...so i hope you guys are:)"
KeikoS is totally loaded
KeikoS grins
DonnaMH [multitasking] knew you'd have some good stuff:)
KeikoS spent night and day to be teacher's pet today
WilliamCW says, "I have one"
DonnaMH [multitasking] grins
DonnaMH [multitasking] gives Keiko a gold star sticker
WilliamCW says, "if I can find it again"
KeikoS glows
WilliamCW says, "working on setting up a backflip account :>"
DonnaMH [multitasking] giggles
DonnaMH asks, "isn't it awesome, Bill?"
DonnaMH asks, "lynne, do you know backflip?"
WilliamCW asks, "mine? or keikos? or backflip?"
LynneM says, "No, I don't know backflip."
DonnaMH [multitasking] was singing its praises before the session:)
DonnaMH says, "remind me at the end of the session if you're curious:)"
KeikoS says, "I will be a total believer once Donna shows me how to use
backflip"
LynneM says, "OK-"
KeikoS couldn't figure out how
Judi-2 arrives from nowhere.
jf's recorder follows Judi-2 to here.
DonnaMH says, "heya judi:)"
KeikoS bows t Judi
KeikoS . o O ( Judi 2 looks the same as Judi )
DonnaMH says, "we're getting a slow start, judi:)"
Judi-2 . o O ( that's ok )
DonnaMH . o O ( just like the kids, the holidays are already starting to
make us antsy *grin* )
Judi-2 . o O ( Judi and judi-2 are twins )
Judi-2 says, "I'm multi-tasking"
KeikoS . o O ( I should have brought sake from upstairs )
DonnaMH [multitasking] grins
LynneM asks, "oes anyone want to explain backflip while we're hangin'
around?"
DonnaMH says, "dunno, if i have to drink something asian, it would
prolly be plum wine:)"
DonnaMH says, "sure, Lynne:)"
DonnaMH says, "imagine a site where no matter what computer you were on,
you could bookmark *and retrieve those bookmarks* online"
KeikoS . o O ( good way to describe it )
LynneM says, "Uh huh"
DonnaMH says, "then, if there were something you wanted to share, you
could make some folders of your collection public"
LynneM says, "Yes, I'm with you."
DonnaMH says, "that is what backflip does"
DonnaMH says, "you get an acct, drop one of their buttons *REALLY EASY*
onto your browser toolbar, and its easier than
bookmarking"
DonnaMH says, "whenever you are on a site you like, you just click the
button, chose which folder you want it in, and click
done..."
DonnaMH says, "i can show you my public folders if you'd like, just to
get an idea"
LynneM says, "I am looking at it now. It looks cool. I'll play with it
later. I use a site like this to store all my files
online
for access from any where (driveway)."
DonnaMH says, "how is that? i often wondered about using that"
LynneM says, "I'd like to see your public folders, Donna."
DonnaMH [multitasking] gets so aggravated about having school work on
the school comp when i need it home and vice versa
DonnaMH [multitasking] shows LynneM the URL:
http://www.backflip.com/members/donnamh
WilliamCW says, "ok more or less back - backflip is now installed :>"
DonnaMH [multitasking] smiles
LynneM says, "Yes, that is exactly why I store things online. Every
file I do at school I put on my driveway site and then I
can work back and forth. Muy convenient."
DonnaMH says, "knew this was going to be a sparse session"
KeikoS . o O ( muy convenient? )
DonnaMH says, "very:)"
DonnaMH . o O ( right? )
WilliamCW says, "ight - spanish"
WilliamCW says, "right"
DonnaMH asks, "do we need to do introductions? or does everyone know
everyone?"
LynneM exclaims, "Yup. I even keep my home phone book there so I don't
have to go in the other room. Now that is getting
techno lazy!"
DonnaMH [multitasking] giggles...i like that:)
LynneM says, "I know everyone except William."
KeikoS thinks she knows everybody
WilliamCW says, "not lazy lynne - efficient :>"
DonnaMH . o O ( lynne william....william, lynne *okay, i'm being loopy
again* )
WilliamCW is a science teacher in NYC - high school - and the school
tech coordinator
LynneM says, "Thanks. Hi William. I just read your bio. You can read
mine and we'll save time."
DonnaMH [multitasking] grins
DonnaMH says, "I was kinda hoping Karen would make it, but we'll see if
she pops in:)"
DonnaMH asks, "who wants to start?"
KeikoS . o O ( me, too )
WilliamCW asks, "ow?"
KeikoS asks, "I have plenty. Do you wanna go to Japan?"
WilliamCW says, "how"
WilliamCW asks, "sure - i enjoyed my first visit so whay not have
another?"
DonnaMH asks, "the osaka one?"
KeikoS says, "No. This is a tour site."
DonnaMH says, "nods"
KeikoS says, "I figured this best because you don't need plug ins."
KeikoS . o O ( also came from my site )
DonnaMH [multitasking] grins
KeikoS asks, "Ready?"
DonnaMH [multitasking] nods
DonnaMH looks techclass.
LynneM nods
WilliamCW says, "yep"
KeikoS projects the URL:
http://www.artisandevelopers.com/web/tokyo/
ShunichiroI has arrived.
KeikoS says, "I would have loved Kyoto version of this, but here is
Tokyo."
KeikoS shows ShunichiroI the URL:
http://www.artisandevelopers.com/web/tokyo/
KeikoS asks, "Everybody got it?"
KeikoS asks, "I think Shun sensei is from Tokyo himself???"
ShunichiroI says, "Hi, I'm just listening in."
DonnaMH says, "welcome:)"
ShunichiroI says, "will stay quiet."
DonnaMH says, "okay, so then why do you like this site, keiko (besides
the obvious fact that its asian *smile*)"
KeikoS says, "I like it because it is like taking a tour."
KeikoS says, "Let's start the site."
DonnaMH . o O ( shunichiro, don't feel you have to be quiet...though
obviously, we'll respect your choice to stay so if you wish:) )
KeikoS says, "Just like climbing up the mountain from last week."
KeikoS says, "You can just look at their photos or try to get to plug-in
fancy stuff ..."
KeikoS says, "if you and your computer allows it."
DonnaMH says, "i wonder if its a mac plugin though...my comp couldn't
find it"
KeikoS asks, "???"
KeikoS says, "I have never heard a plug in that only works with Mac..."
WilliamCW says, "o but I have heard of a few that only work with PCs"
DonnaMH [techclass] shrugs...just an idea:)
DonnaMH says, "now THAT i know...since i had one the other week that was
like that"
WilliamCW says, "at least back with the first plug ins"
Steve [guest] has arrived.
KeikoS waves to Steve, is this Steve sensei?
KeikoS asks, "So this silence is everybody is looking?"
WilliamCW says, "prolly"
BJB says, "welcome, Steve"
DonnaMH [techclass] is
Steve [guest] says, "Hi Keiko I am %%%%%Thank you"Hi Donna"
DonnaMH says, "Welcome Steve:)"
DonnaMH [techclass] sorries she was so slow in answering, i was busy
looking at a site *blush*
Steve [guest] says, "I am delighted to be here"
BJB [to Steve [guest]]: "do you know about url projections?"
Steve [guest] says, "no explain"
KeikoS says, "I will show the site and a new window will open"
BJB [to Steve [guest]]: "I'm going to show you the site that everyone is
looking at...it will pop open for you as a new
browser window"
BJB [HelpDesk] shows Steve the URL:
http://www.artisandevelopers.com/web/tokyo/
Steve [guest] says, "great"
KeikoS says, "Thanks BJ"
BJB [to Steve [guest]]: "did you get that projection?"
Steve [guest] says, "I did not receive it but I can cut and paste the
url"
ShunichiroI says, "Whisper to Keiko. Am sneaking out to get ready for
my class meeting in my office."
BJB asks, "are you logged in with tapestry, Steve?"
BJB . o O ( or are you on a text client? )
DonnaMH . o O ( like telnet? )
ShunichiroI leaves for the 11th.
Steve [guest] says, "Telnet, I',"
BJB says, "if you're on tapestry then the projection is probably hiding
behind this window or is minimized."
BJB says, "ah...projections don't work with telnet"
Steve [guest] says, "I can save the session and take a look later, we
also collaborated with the Miho Museum"
LynneM says, "I actually have to leave also. Thanks- see you all around
another time."
BJB says, "next time you join us, try logging in through
www.tappedin.org There is a java applet that makes the site
much more interactive"
LynneM has disconnected.
KeikoS hugs Lynne
BJB [to Steve [guest]]: "members can also get a personal recorder..."
BJB [HelpDesk] projects personal recorder.
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A personal recorder turns on when the owner logs in. The recorder
follows the owner from room to room. When the owner logs out the
recorder shuts off and emails the recorded transcript to the owner.
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BJB . o O ( nice for 'saving' sessions )
DonnaMH [techclass] sighs
BJB says, "sorry, Donna...I'm interrupting your session"
KeikoS . o O ( is everybody STILL looking? )
WilliamCW says, "not really trying to track mine down again"
KeikoS [to Donna]: "so what do you think, chief?"
WilliamCW says, "it looked good but repeated downloads on this computer
take forever"
DonnaMH says, "nah...just a slow night is all:)"
BJB [HelpDesk] has lost her link.
DonnaMH says, "not that i don't love you guys *smile*"
KeikoS says, "Oh, BJ"
BJB has connected.
BJB [HelpDesk] has lost her link.
DonnaMH says, "welcome back:)"
DonnaMH . o O ( poor thing:) )
Steve [guest] says,
"/13681/data/museum/trees.htm"
here is the Miho Musem museum collaboration we did with Ovation TV"
KeikoS says, "Quite cool."
WilliamCW asks, "ome one want to project taht for the restof us?"
DonnaMH exclaims, "Ahhah! now i know who you are!"
KeikoS says, "I can project..."
DonnaMH [techclass] can be really slow sometimes:)
KeikoS projects the URL:
/13681/data/museum/trees.htm
DonnaMH says, "so you did receive my email then:)"
Steve [guest] says, "Yes I did and added your link... in fact I worked
with Fluid arts..."
BJB [HelpDesk] quietly enters the room.
My Shadow follows BJB to here.
KeikoS asks, "Did you get taht William?"
DonnaMH [techclass] appreciates the plug:) the site is fairly new, by
most standards:)
Steve [guest] says, "we reviewed Tappin earlier this year a it received
rave reviews"
KeikoS smiles
DonnaMH [techclass] has her own site beyond TappedIn
WilliamCW says, "the projection? yes"
WilliamCW asks, "steve yoru here in NYC?"
DonnaMH says, "poor william:)"
DonnaMH . o O ( a step behind )
Steve [guest] says, "yes, my school JFK is in the Bronx"
WilliamCW says, "so does william - occasionally he even finds time to
work on it"
DonnaMH says, "don't freak if you can't find that site right now...that's
what we have the listserv for:)"
WilliamCW says, "Richmond Hill HS down here in QUeens"
Steve [guest] says, "thats great fellow newyorker"
DonnaMH says, "steve was one of the first to hear i'm adding an entire
new section...the one i just told the listserv about:)"
DonnaMH [techclass] shoulda known that would be coming out:)
DonnaMH [techclass] giggles
WilliamCW says, "I like this site - good questions by the students and
good questions to them :>"
WilliamCW asks, "I would assume you have no problems with my showing it
tothe social studies AP here steve?"
KeikoS bows to Steve
KeikoS says, "I have a cool Yellowstone NP, if you are interested (among
others)"
Steve [guest] says, "mo proble"no problems here except the ss chair is
really not wired"
Steve [guest] says, "sure bring it on"
KeikoS projects the URL:
http://www.yellowstone.net/onlinetours/
KeikoS says, "It is best if you had Real Audio (I found in Real Audio
Guides)"
DonnaMH [to Steve [guest]]: "we're kinda slacking tonight...close to the
holidays and finishing our final session on
virtual field trips:)"
WilliamCW says, "yours may not be but ours is definitely wired"
Steve [guest] says, "I thought you might be interested in taking our
tour"
DonnaMH [techclass] missed something?
Steve [guest] says, "/13681/data/TOUR1.HTM"
BJB [HelpDesk] projects the URL:
/13681/data/TOUR1.HTM
KeikoS . o O ( oh, art )
Steve [guest] says, "Art and Science linked"
BJB says, "that site is wonderful, Steve. I have it in my bookmarks."
DonnaMH says, "dunno, i'd consider it history too"
DonnaMH says, "Bj is the one who shared your site with me just before
you emailed me, Steve:)"
Steve [guest] says, "Thank you I appreciate ecite the bookmark, I was
wondering how you found us"
BJB [to Steve [guest]]: "did you do the one about the arts in the next
100 years?"
DonnaMH [techclass] smiles
DonnaMH says, "i'd be curious as to how you found mine, myself:)"
BJB [HelpDesk] shows Steve the URL:
/13681/data/nyc/intro.htm
Steve [guest] says, "yes my kids did it ArtiFAQ 21OO"
BJB exclaims, "how cool...that one is fantastic also!"
Steve [guest] says, "it won the Microsoft first prize"
Steve [guest] says, "thanks it took 45 days to construct"
DonnaMH [techclass] knows how frustrating that can be:)
KeikoS appludes
Steve [guest] says, "sjfeld@erols.com"
BJB says, "thanks"
WilliamCW asks, "k are we ready for one last virtual field trip?"
Steve [guest] says, "you should definately see the future are gallery"
KeikoS says, "SURE"
DonnaMH says, "sure"
WilliamCW projects the URL:
http://seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov/ocean_planet.html
WilliamCW says, "this is a traveling exhibit from the smithsonian - and
then they really made it travel by putting the entier
thing online as well"
KeikoS exclaims, "Audio!"
WilliamCW says, "yes they duplicated the entire feel of the exhibit onl"
WilliamCW says, "online - and witout any plugins"
Steve [guest] says, "integration is the key%"
KeikoS . o O ( William has good point about plugins )
WilliamCW says, "agreed steve - I hate having multiple frames and a
bunch of plugins"
KeikoS asks, "So this is all integrated Java???"
KeikoS asks, "How is it possible without plug ins?"
WilliamCW says, "java or simply older technology used properly - the
exhibit has beenoline for about 2-3 years now"
Steve [guest] says, ""I with my old computer am very concerned with
accessibility"
DonnaMH says, "especially when you try it out at home, because you have
all the plugins, get all excited, and then the school
comps don't have them and downloading is blocked"
WilliamCW says, "ssame here steve - this one at home is an old P100 wiht
only 16 MB RAM - I figure if I can get things to run on
here smoothly as is then they will run at school as
well"
DonnaMH [techclass] has the pc vs. mac problem...home is pc, school i
mac
KeikoS . o O ( all good point )
DonnaMH says, "as well, i use netscape at home, and school uses ie...and
that makes a difference too"
WilliamCW says, "a huge difference really"
DonnaMH says, "the birdie is tweeting again:)_"
DonnaMH [techclass] nods to william
WilliamCW says, "I like the fact that at school we have them using
netscape instead of MSIE"
DonnaMH says, "okay...the ned of class notices"
DonnaMH says, "first, our next session won't be until the second monday
in January:)"
WilliamCW asks, "you like thoise waves and gulls dinna?"
WilliamCW says, "donna"
WilliamCW says, "ok gives me lots of time to find some sites :>"
DonnaMH says, "January's sessions will be on interactive sites...IE cool
sites that don't technically fall into the vft category"
KeikoS says, "OK."
KeikoS says, "I have seen those, too."
KeikoS says, "But define interactive a little here."
DonnaMH says, "Steve, this is where i was saying i'd be placing your
site in my listing:)"
WilliamCW says, "yeah so do I even one i wrote - although it is very
simple"
DonnaMH says, "well, i'm working on aworking definition, but i do have
examples"
Steve [guest] says, "you can get some great accessories at Daves Faves"
DonnaMH [techclass] smiles at william...sounds good
DonnaMH [techclass] hasn't heard of it
KeikoS says, "OK. Let's see it."
DonnaMH says, "also, for those who aren't members of the listserv,
*we're a slow listserv...you won't get innundated* you
can
sign up here:"
Steve [guest] says, "there is is link on our December Diversity"
BJB says, "I have to leave...sorry."
DonnaMH [techclass] pokes BJ, since i STILL don't have the url *laugh*
DonnaMH [techclass] then hugs before she leaves...have a good night
sweetie:)
Steve [guest] says, "on the site map you'll see it listed under artifaqs
... your link is also on that page"
Steve [guest] says, "/13681/data/sitemap.htm"
KeikoS hugs BJB
WilliamCW says, "nighters BJB"
BJB says, "I'm going to project the list serve url before I head
out....nice talking with you all."
BJB [HelpDesk] projects the URL:
http://www.tappedin.org/mailman/listinfo/techclass/
BJB [to Steve [guest]]: "did you get my email?"
Steve [guest] says, "please meeting all of you"
WilliamCW says, "nice to meet you steve"
DonnaMH [techclass] hugs...don't you get sick now:)
Steve [guest] says, "send it again"
KeikoS handshakes with Steve
Steve [guest] says, "I check out your site William"
WilliamCW asks, "my site?"
WilliamCW asks, "dragonlogic?"
Steve [guest] says, "charmed Keiko"
Steve [guest] asks, "Wm URL?"
DonnaMH asks, "steve, i'm still curious, how did you stumble upon my
site?"
DonnaMH . o O ( i knew you had to have emailed me from my site, since
only a very few email links are set to that specific email address
*smile* )
WilliamCW shows Steve the URL:
http://www.dragonlogic.com/
Steve [guest] says, "Deborah Phelan wanted my students to translate it
into Spanish"
BJB says, "ahhhh...a common link. I've corresponded with Deborah."
Steve [guest] says, "we wanted to use the moo for chat discussions as
well"
DonnaMH asks, "to translate what into spanish?"
DonnaMH asks, "this?"
DonnaMH [techclass] must be tired, she's getting easily confused:)
WilliamCW says, "same here - and I'm yawning - a bad sign"
KeikoS asks, "espanol?"
Steve [guest] says, "it turns out that the student team translated the
Estonian Eworksheets into spanish and Russian"
DebB has arrived.
BJB [HelpDesk] waves hi to Deb
DonnaMH exclaims, "heya!"
BJB [HelpDesk] waves goodnight for real unless Deb has a question?
DebB says, "Thanks Bj"
DebB has disconnected.
WilliamCW says, "take care all I'll see you in january and some of you
beofre :>"
BJB [HelpDesk] has disconnected.
KeikoS quickly hugs William
DonnaMH [techclass] BETTER see you before:)!
WilliamCW says, "you will :>"
DonnaMH [techclass] smiles
KeikoS says, "Ok, princess, explain backflip."
WilliamCW has disconnected.
KeikoS asks, "Should I go to yours or the site you were showing
earlier?"
DonnaMH asks, "steve, is this the site of mine you saw?"
DonnaMH [techclass] shows Steve the URL:
http://www.geocities.com/dhendry26
Steve [guest] says, "yes it was it is reviewed in ArtiFAQ2100 follow the
link from African River Festival the review is on
that page"
KeikoS tappes Donna on her shoulders
DonnaMH [techclass] shows KeikoS the URL:
http://www.backflip.com/members/donnamh
DonnaMH [techclass] was working on it silly *smile*
DonnaMH [techclass] huhs
KeikoS [to Donna]: "Thank you."
KeikoS says, "Let's see if I can figure it out this time."
DonnaMH . o O ( you know how it is...you need to see what others are
saying about your site *smile* )
KeikoS asks, "Donna, this just makes a link to various pages?"
KeikoS fears it is not Japanese capable?!?!
DonnaMH [techclass] giggles...i wouldn't know that keiko, since i have
no use for japanese:)
DonnaMH says, "and yes, basically that's what it does...its like a
portable bookmarking system"
DonnaMH says, "since, if i remember right, you only work from your home
computer, you might not have as much use for it as we do"
Steve [guest] says,
"/13681/data/nyc/africa.htm"
KeikoS [to Donna]: "I guess i have to be a member contributing to your
folder?"
KeikoS . o O ( boy Steve has plenty of interesting sites. )
DonnaMH says, "no, i'd just have to give you my id and password"
DonnaMH says, "steve, i see where TappedIn is mentioned, but was
wondering specifically about my site"
DonnaMH says, "the email address you had of mine is a different one than
i have here, so i'm trying to figure it out:)"
Steve [guest] says, "my review follows steve wrote..."
Steve [guest] says, "the email is the one I received from Deborah"
KeikoS says, "OK, new vfts."
Steve [guest] says, "we would love to be included"
DonnaMH says, "sorry steve:) *laugh*"
DonnaMH says, "didn't mean to leave you out:)"
DonnaMH says, "actually, reading through your stuff, you might find this
useful:)"
DonnaMH says, "we're talking about a site called backflip.com"
KeikoS apologizes Steve
DonnaMH says, "imagine being able to put your bookmarks onto a site,
share them with people, and be able to add to them and
retrieve them from any computer"
DonnaMH says, "that's what this site does"
DonnaMH [techclass] still only sees reference to TappedIn...my site is
called Technology for Teachers:) am i confused?
DonnaMH . o O ( btw, i work in an inner city school system as well,
though not as large, obviously as yours:) )
Steve [guest] says, "I me"the text for the moo environment follows below
.. excellent review"
Steve [guest] asks, "what city?"
DonnaMH says, "exactly...that is this site...this site i certianly use,
and am involved with, but is not my own creation"
DonnaMH says, "I teach in Willimantic CT"
DonnaMH says, "a couple of years ago, we were actually mentioned in some
major newspapers...seems we have the highest amount of
social service agencies per capita in the country"
Steve [guest] says, "I read about previous sessions, but this is the
first time I am participating"
DonnaMH . o O ( around 32000 people...about 30% hispanic, )
DonnaMH says, "and you're doing a great job:)"
DonnaMH [techclass] loves this place...
KeikoS says, "ves this place AND Donna"
DonnaMH says, "but what i was trying to ask is, the address you
originally emailed me to isn't listed on tappedin, which
means you had to be at my own site at some point"
KeikoS loves this place and Donna
DonnaMH [techclass] blushes
DonnaMH . o O ( we're talking two totally seperate sites:) )
DonnaMH says, "unless of course, someone here linked my eft page to
here..."
DonnaMH [techclass] shows Steve the URL:
http://www.geocities.com/dhendry26
DonnaMH says, "this is my site"
Steve [guest] says, ""JFK is over 66% Hispanic'""
Steve [guest] asks, "But there is only one TappedIn?"
DonnaMH says, "the school i'm in is *thinks* is about 70%...i teach at
an alternative school in the system"
DonnaMH exclaims, "Exactly!"
DonnaMH says, "my site, technology for teachers, is the basis of my
sessions here...including how to use msoffice, internet
safety, virtual fieldtrips, etc"
Steve [guest] exclaims, "my students come from very poor
neighborhoods... many do not have telephones at
home, let alone computers!"
DonnaMH says, "most of my students don't either"
KeikoS is surprised!
KeikoS is amazed!
DonnaMH [techclass] has had quite a few who were living in homeless
shelters
Steve [guest] says, "They rely on my computer lab to see the Internet
and participates in projects"
DonnaMH [techclass] nods
DonnaMH [techclass] which i imagine takes up a good deal of time
Steve [guest] says, "one of my students has just completed an animation
project for the Dreamworks contest through amazing
Kids"
DonnaMH says, "that is cool:)"
Steve [guest] says, "it took all term for him to complete 200 frames
with Powerpoint"
DonnaMH says, "wow"
DonnaMH says, "my students don't have the ability to do something like
that"
Judi-2 has disconnected.
DonnaMH says, "they are all SED, and most are ADD/ADHD..."
DonnaMH [techclass] feels like a walking alphabet
Steve [guest] says, "If he wins wthe school will get Flash and he will
get a job with Dreamworks"
DonnaMH says, "that is truly cool...Dreamworks is an awesome company, so
i've heard"
Steve [guest] says, "you will especially appreciate that our site is
accessible to the hearing impaired... click on the
signing hand for special needs resources"
DonnaMH says, "wow...now THAT is cool..."
Steve [guest] says, "it was an important feature we wanted to include"
DonnaMH says, "i'll need to pass that on to a friend...he attended one
of the conferences this summer, and websites for special
needs was one that was addressed"
Steve [guest] says, "we have a philosophy of inclusion--- universal
access Bobby Approved"
DonnaMH [techclass] isn't anywhere near that yet *sigh*
DonnaMH says, "I've just made sure my site isn't overloaded with
graphics, so it doesn't load like molasses"
Steve [guest] says, "it is by far the highest rating most difficult to
achieve"
Steve [guest] says, "we always to to compress graphics whenever
possible"
Steve [guest] says, "and have slow bandwidth versions of the Leonardo
Horse page"
DonnaMH [techclass] created her own signature graphic...and that is the
same on all the pages, so it loads pretty quick after that
Steve [guest] says, "do you mean ASCII"
DonnaMH says, "nope, it was something i did in adobe"
DonnaMH asks, "the comet at the top of the page?"
Steve [guest] says, "what a luxury Photoshop we are using paint"
DonnaMH [techclass] got the program with her scanner...those are my
baby's not schools....
DonnaMH says, "I can't even get the school to give me a copy of a
wysiwyg...and none of our programs beyond msoffice have
even been loaded in yet"
DonnaMH . o O ( don't get me started on the efficiency of the tech
dept...its an utter aggravation )
Steve [guest] says, "why not"
DonnaMH says, "Dunno...they say they will, they have it, and i've done a
written request oh, 3 times now"
DonnaMH says, "but they rarely get out to our building to begin with"
DonnaMH . o O ( we're kinda the misfit school in the system... )
Steve [guest] exclaims, "i was waiting all te for the rech dept to give
me class lists to set up student accounts but
today I created my own!"
DonnaMH says, "we're locked out...we have no more priveleges than the
students....and all the free email servers are blocked"
Steve [guest] asks, "what about teacher loggin?"
KeikoS [to Donna]: "I managed not to mess with your page.."
KeikoS [to Steve&Donna]: "I will be leaving.."
KeikoS [to Steve [guest]]: "Nice to meet you."
KeikoS bows and apologizes again
DonnaMH says, "nope...well, we have it, but the only thing we had was to
load cdroms...and they added that to the students"
DonnaMH [techclass] hugs keiko
KeikoS hugs Donna
Steve [guest] says, "Pleasure Hope to see you again"
DonnaMH says, "thanks sweetie...i appreciate it:)"
KeikoS waves good night to Steve
KeikoS [to Steve [guest]]: "Frequent here. Now you are charmed with
Donna like I am."
KeikoS smiles
DonnaMH [techclass] blushes
KeikoS waves
KeikoS goes home.
DonnaMH says, "so its been rather frustrating...i finally set up
something so the students could email me though"
DonnaMH [techclass] could show you if you'd like?
Steve [guest] says, "I must say that this has been a"
Steve [guest] says, "sure I would love to see"
DonnaMH [techclass] projects the URL:
http://www.geocities.com/dhendry26/Teams/email.html
DonnaMH says, "Geocities has a built in cgi bin"
Steve [guest] says, "I see I check it out... but geocities has a bunch
of other problems"
DonnaMH says, "my students have e-mentors...a friend of mine is a prof.
in pennsilvania...and he set up his ed students with
mine"
DonnaMH . o O ( tell me about it )
DonnaMH says, "but, until i get my own, it'll have to do:)"
DonnaMH . o O ( host, not cgi-bin:) )
Steve [guest] says, "kids in my school are not permitted to email, but
some get through using AOL"
DonnaMH says, "huh"
Steve [guest] says, "instant message... I hate it"
DonnaMH says, "our students aren't supposed to either...reason all the
free webmails are blocked *which blocks 4 of my email
accts* but...what can you do"
DonnaMH says, "if i want to do that, i use icq....or this type of
atmosphere"
DonnaMH [techclass] isn't particularly fond of im either
Steve [guest] says, "2 of my computers at not connected to the network
so they bypass the block"
DonnaMH says, "oooohhh cool:)"
DonnaMH [techclass] has really come to despise firewalls but that's me
Steve [guest] says, "clever students"
DonnaMH says, "my students are going to find whatever was missed by the
wall anyway. They thrive on it"
Steve [guest] says, "the filter blocks too many good sites including
anything with a ~"
DonnaMH says, "our students were working on health reports and half the
info they needed was blocked...i madethem email me the
addresses (using that form i showed you) then printed
them
up for them at home"
Steve [guest] says, "you are too kind... alot of extra work for you"
DonnaMH says, "you mean you haven't guessed how much time i spend on
line yet? *grin*"
Steve [guest] says, "we also have health links in our Study Helper"
DonnaMH says, "our school really doesn't have a library...our entire
school atm only has 18 students...so the internet is it"
DonnaMH . o O ( one student was doing body peircing and tattooing...alot
ofthat was blocked )
Steve [guest] says, "I also am online too many hours:)"
Steve [guest] says, "I can see why"
DonnaMH says, "my children (ages 2 and 4) and my husband go to bed at 7
(hubby is up at 3 am)"
DonnaMH says, "so i get from that time until i go to bed to be doing my
online work"
DonnaMH says, "and my students are just as much my guinea pigs for my
theories"
Steve [guest] says, "I have 160 students each day"
DonnaMH says, "see, while i teach in all three classes in my school, i
only have really 18 students to be concerned about"
DonnaMH says, "but they all have severe problems"
Steve [guest] says, "many different learning styles in play here"
DonnaMH says, "these students are admittedly the worst of the worst...no
one wants them...and most of them are on probation of
some
sort"
DonnaMH says, "some are very violent as well"
Steve [guest] says, "many are borderline special ed with severre
behavior problems"
Steve [guest] says, "quite a challenge"
DonnaMH says, "all my students are special ed...SED is considered spec
ed automaticaly"
DonnaMH says, "but in CT you can't multiple label the students, so that
may be their primary, but many are also edd/edhd, or even
psychotic"
Steve [guest] says, "ArtiFAQ was created by five students, 2 of which
were SPED2 of the 5 were SPED"
DonnaMH says, "one student has to be on meds...one of the times he was
refusing, he nearly punched me (a teacher caught his arm
on the backpull)"
DonnaMH [techclass] nods
Steve [guest] says, "psychotic yes I get alot of this"
DonnaMH says, "I am impressed with the site:) i said it before:) i'm
happy to be getting out of them what i am right now"
DonnaMH . o O ( that one was the psychotic one...clinically so )
DonnaMH [techclass] sighs
DonnaMH asks, "can you tell its that time of year?"
Steve [guest] says, you will also want to check
the Special Ed Links in the study helper
contributed
ny teachers"
Steve [guest] says, "yep I think its a full moon"
DonnaMH says, "holidays...they'll be like this till after vacation now"
DonnaMH [techclass] nods might do that in my "free" time:)
DonnaMH [techclass] still has to add about 20 new vft's to her pages,
and then create a new section
DonnaMH says, "not tonight, just in general"
Steve [guest] says, "you got to give them very special projects to keep
them interested"
DonnaMH says, "i and the other teachers have tried that...and most
special projects take too long, and then they lose
interest"
DonnaMH says, "not that we dont stop trying....but its very
....depressing"
DonnaMH . o O ( not that we stop trying...you'd never be able to tell
i'm an english teacher...yeesh )
Steve [guest] says, ""They really enjoy doubletakes a picture with two
different views"
DonnaMH says, "actually, i can see that...we took themto the museum, and
they loved Dali"
DonnaMH . o O ( whined the whole way, and most the time there, but loved
that )
DonnaMH says, "we basically go off campus every other week...i'm in
charge of organizing all that..."
Steve [guest] says, ""also check the butterfly I created you will find
it on the
"/13681/data/links/approved.htm to see a butterfly, that isn't"
DonnaMH [techclass] is looking
DonnaMH [techclass] bites...what was it?
Steve [guest] says, "go to the answer page... the authorization password
(shhh) is mom"
DonnaMH says, "is something wrong with the links? i click on
authorization, and its sends me to the faq"
Steve [guest] says, "The link works with Internet Explorer and old
Netscapes, I just discovered that it doesnt work
with communicator"
DonnaMH says, "so then, just tell me *giggle*"
Steve [guest] exclaims, "Its actually a person thinking!!"
DonnaMH says, "okay, now ais this philosophically, or am i not able to
see it? *grin*"
Steve [guest] says, "the wing is the negative space of a person
thinking... like the thinker..."
Steve [guest] says, "you can see his profile at the top and bottom, its
the negative space-- he's posed like the thinker"
DonnaMH [techclass] sees part of it...
DonnaMH says, "but to be fair, i've never been very good at those
things:)"
DonnaMH says, "and i'd love to chat more, but i need to head to bed"
Steve [guest] says, "the entire wing is the space of his arm... he's
touchching his head"
DonnaMH says, "AH"
Steve [guest] says, "something to dream about..."
DonnaMH says, "alright...i really need to go to bed now *laugh...trust
me i dont need help with dreams*"
DonnaMH says, "i sleep in the wrong sleep cycle...so that's almost all i
do is dream"
DonnaMH . o O ( but that's another story )
Steve [guest] exclaims, "have a great night!"
DonnaMH says, "I really am glad you made your way over though....usually
our sessions are a bit more organized"
Steve [guest] says, "Absolutely delighted"
DonnaMH says, "you really should become a member, it is free *our
favorite words*"
DonnaMH [techclass] hopes to see you at some other sessions:)
Steve [guest] says, "I will log in again for the next session"
DonnaMH says, "cool:)"
Steve [guest] says, "take care now"
DonnaMH says, "have a good night:)"
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